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SilenceInTheLibrary

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  • I was born on March 4
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  • Why do you stay silent towards me, you don't wanna talk to me. I know I have a lot of books but I am not a library so there is no need for silence between us. 

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    • To answer your exactly two-month-old question, I've been silent towards everyone--I cut off Wikia emails so I'd quit getting alerts about other series I don't want to see anymore. It's also why I haven't been able to answer wiki messages until I think to do so.

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  • Hey Silence, please could you give an opinion on the newest topic of discussion?

    In summary, OPN intends to remove the Minor Characters page and set up separate articles for each of the characters. He wants to know if there are any objections before he goes forward.

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  • I'm sorry if I come across as patronizing when I write this. I don't mean to. I've tried rewording it but I can't get it to sound right in my head.

    Silence, regarding your recent edit to Griffith's history section - I didn't decapitalise "Apostle". (If that was directed at me.) It was written that way initially - user Recludam rewrote the entire history section from scratch and used apostle as a common noun.

    I'd argue that the term "apostle" is not a proper noun. Some people choose to capitalise it and some don't. Because of the way Dark Horse has printed the font - well, the way fonts are in comic books and manga translations in general - everything is in capital letters and the proper "canon" classification cannot be distinguished. Japanese does not use "capital letters" either. So, we can debate. The justification you gave (in the space alloted in the editing summary, maybe you can elaborate) is:

    "It's a proper noun given to a grouped subset of characters."

    If a term is used to refer to a grouped subset of characters, then it does not automatically make it a proper noun. Proper nouns, in this context, refer to organised groups, not groups in general. E.g The God Hand is the name of a specific group of individuals. The term "thieves" encompasses characters that are thieves. In this case, "apostle" falls into the latter usage.

    The term "apostle" is not a title (like Count Julius - Apostle Zodd) and it is not the name of a particular group. It is a common noun, like "monster" or "demon" or "giant". The term "apostle" is the word used to describe people who have sacrificed their most valued thing after activating a behelit in the Berserk world. They are not members of an organised group, though they are (generally) loyal to the God Hand. E.g A person has to pass the Bar Exam in order to become a judge who works in Parliament. A person has to sprinkle pixie dust on themselves in order to become a centaur who works for the CA. A person has to sacrifice their most treasured thing in order to become an apostle who is loyal to the God Hand. The word apostle just means something different in the Berserk world as opposed to our world. That doesn't mean we have to capitalise it.

    In any case, (generally) if you capitalise something in the middle of a sentence that is plural and it does not indicate that you have many nouns of a specific title (such as Bibles being used to refer to multiple books titled "the Bible") or that you are referring to members of an organised group (e.g the Nazis) then that is an incorrect use of a capital letter. Since apostle is not a title, and apostles are not members a group called "Apostle" or what have you, it should not be capitalised.

    I have decapitalised "Apostle" on some pages because I noticed some pages had "Apostle" and some had "apostle", and it should be consistent. (Of course it's not consistent now, but I've got other priorities on the wikia currently.) Then there's the case of "Apostle Spawn" vs "Apostle spawn". The Apostles page uses "Apostle spawn" and the Apostle Spawn page uses "Apostle Spawn". Both are used on the wikia. Then there's the "Astral Plane" and the "astral plane", which are both used depending on who contributed to the page.

    I've even seen "elves" be capitalised in the middle of sentences on this wikia. The term "elf" was capitalised everywhere, even when it wasn't just left capitalised as a lazy shortcut to link it to the "Elves" page. There's probably still something like "Guts meets an Elf called Puck" in the episode pages.

    I'm open to being convinced that they should all be "Apostle", and I did try to find official sources as to how it should be classified, but could not.

    Definition of "common noun" according to the Oxford Dictionary: a noun denoting a class of objects or a concept as opposed to a particular individual

    According to Cambridge Dictonary: a noun that is the name of a group of similar things, such as "table" or "book", and not of a single person, place, or thing

    I'd argue that apostles are a "class" of demon/monster in the world of Berserk or a "group of similar things/a grouped subset of characters" in your words, hence "apostle" is a common noun.

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    • Ah, okay. I'm sorry I misunderstood. I thought your final sentence was sarcastic. "so if Apostle is uncapitalized in the only heterogenous-case lettering you can find, roll with it." I definitely misunderstood your use of heterogenous there, hah. You were referring to a source with capital letters and uncapitalised letters. I admit I had to look up the work heterogenous - and I saw that it meant "having widely dissimilar elements or constituents" and took it to mean that because there was inconsistency with some terms, that my conclusion with apostle was wrong. I skipped over the case lettering bit in my mind and jumped the gun, sorry mate.

      I'm 16 - please don't confuse my feeble brain with big words like heterogenous! (Seriously though, sorry about that.) I went back and changed it.

      For what it's worth, I did look all over to find any other sources. I checked Art of War's website and couldn't find the word apostle on any of their descriptions - even for Zodd. I also checked around any promotional material I could find to see if there was anything with "Apostle" or "apostle" and couldn't. I did find an image advertising the new Berserk Volume 1 cover in Japan with "Berselk",

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    • Looking further, I also found this description of Volume 29 on Dark Horse's website. The only one with the word apostle and it is uncapitalised. The description itself isn't in the volume, I don't think. Anyway, those are the only sources I can find. This comment is basically a note to myself... eh.

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  • Please could you offer your opinion on the newest issue being discussed in this thread. Basically, what should the limit be for the number of quotes allowed on a character's page? Eck and I say that there should be a maximum of four quotes per page for all characters - one intro quote, then one per personality, abilities, and history section at the most. OPN says that the limit for main characters should be 7. 

    Just need some more opinions to finish up the discussion since it's reached a stalemate. Thanks.

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  • Yo Chris, about your recent edit on Raksas, I wanted to ask if he is he really dead. I mean, he got shot in the face but no information if he really died was given after that.

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    • Dammit I was right ;_;

      I should've explained to you properly.

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    • I vote to say his status is unknown, I'd prefer not to have speculation on the wiki.

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  • Hi, welcome to Berserk Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the Mozgus' Disciples page.

    Please leave me a message if I can help with anything!

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